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	<title>Comments on: Does &#8220;Full Humanity&#8221; Predate Homo Sapiens? (Part 1 - Altars)</title>
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	<description>"If we are out of our mind, it is for the sake of God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you." - 2 Cor. 5:13</description>
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		<title>by: geocreationism.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Does “Full Humanity” Predate Homo Sapiens? (Part 3 - Language)</title>
		<link>http://www.geocreationism.com/2007/12/28/does-full-humanity-predate-homo-sapiens-part-1-altars/#comment-589</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] After taking a hiatus, I am back to the task of reviewing Glenn Morton&#8217;s evidence for humanity extending back 5.5 million years, which is when Morton believes Adam and Noah lived.  In Does “Full Humanity” Predate Homo Sapiens? (Part 1 - Altars), I concluded that it was reasonable to consider Altars as evidence of humanity.  Even Hugh Ross uses that as a criterion for dating the beginning of humanity, though he only goes back 24,000 years.  Then, in Does “Full Humanity” Predate Homo Sapiens? (Part 2 - Neanderthals), I reviewed the evidence that neanderthal altars qualify them as human, and the DNA evidence that establishes common ancestry with Homo Sapiens.  Such dating suggests that humanity goes back at least 600,000 years.  In my journey back to 5.5 million years, I now turn to the topic of Language. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] After taking a hiatus, I am back to the task of reviewing Glenn Morton&#8217;s evidence for humanity extending back 5.5 million years, which is when Morton believes Adam and Noah lived.  In Does “Full Humanity” Predate Homo Sapiens? (Part 1 - Altars), I concluded that it was reasonable to consider Altars as evidence of humanity.  Even Hugh Ross uses that as a criterion for dating the beginning of humanity, though he only goes back 24,000 years.  Then, in Does “Full Humanity” Predate Homo Sapiens? (Part 2 - Neanderthals), I reviewed the evidence that neanderthal altars qualify them as human, and the DNA evidence that establishes common ancestry with Homo Sapiens.  Such dating suggests that humanity goes back at least 600,000 years.  In my journey back to 5.5 million years, I now turn to the topic of Language. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.geocreationism.com/2007/12/28/does-full-humanity-predate-homo-sapiens-part-1-altars/#comment-347</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>After posting this, I found the following academic quote, pointed out by Stephen Jones at http://www.asa3.org/archive/evolution/199809/0069.html:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;To our eyes, the systematic placement of carefully conserved seeds into the ground in the spring is not a ritual, while the systematic placement of ancestors bones into the ground on some other occasion is. But this is only because we know the former "works" and the latter, presumably, does not. The people who engaged in both practices made no such distinction. For them a sacrificial altar and a dry storehouse were equally functional, equally essential protections against the vicissitudes of nature. Presumably these people really believed in the efficacy of what they were doing; they were not, like many of today's masters of ceremony, just "keeping a tradition alive".]&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I understand the argument here, that the altars are there because that's just what people did to protect themselves. Such behavior would therefore not be considered relational, and it wouldn't be, because they didn't have the capacity for it. Hmmmm.... if that makes the case that they weren't fully human, then the idol worshippers of the Old Testament weren't fully human either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After posting this, I found the following academic quote, pointed out by Stephen Jones at <a href='http://www.asa3.org/archive/evolution/199809/0069.html:' rel='nofollow'>http://www.asa3.org/archive/evolution/199809/0069.html:</a></p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em>To our eyes, the systematic placement of carefully conserved seeds into the ground in the spring is not a ritual, while the systematic placement of ancestors bones into the ground on some other occasion is. But this is only because we know the former &#8220;works&#8221; and the latter, presumably, does not. The people who engaged in both practices made no such distinction. For them a sacrificial altar and a dry storehouse were equally functional, equally essential protections against the vicissitudes of nature. Presumably these people really believed in the efficacy of what they were doing; they were not, like many of today&#8217;s masters of ceremony, just &#8220;keeping a tradition alive&#8221;.]</em></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>I understand the argument here, that the altars are there because that&#8217;s just what people did to protect themselves. Such behavior would therefore not be considered relational, and it wouldn&#8217;t be, because they didn&#8217;t have the capacity for it. Hmmmm&#8230;. if that makes the case that they weren&#8217;t fully human, then the idol worshippers of the Old Testament weren&#8217;t fully human either.
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