I recently replied to “The Janitor” at JW Wartick’s excellent blog, “Always Have a Reason.” He basically made the point that Old Earth Creationists tend to place science above scripture, and not the other way around. Now personally, I have found that science and scripture are so complimentary when placed in the context of ancient history, and interpreted against the original Hebrew that I do not generally worry about this. But, I wanted to make the point that there was at least one Old Earther out there who uses scripture to make his points. So, I mentioned some arguments that I have that are based on scripture. I did not develop the arguments, but instead of generating interest in the arguments, I appeared to evoke a response that inferred (incorrectly) what my arguments might be, or that they were implausible and not worthy of reading in more detail. I am used to being dismissed by my Young Earth brethren when conversing on the age of the earth, but it disturbs me when it happens.
The main argument I have that appeared to evoke some interest by The Janitor is that Moses knew the Trinity, and avoided details that would lead the ancient Israelites into anything other than the worship of a single God. He was worried about them falling back into polytheism. So, here is a series of links that develop my argument. My hope is that someone interested in the argument will read through the articles, and not judge the merits of the article on just the content of this post.
One comment about my intent… while I would certainly be gratified to persuade, my primary intent is to show a biblical argument that gives scripture primacy in the development of my larger position that the earth is old…
- Moses talked to Jesus face-to-face before writing Genesis, so personally knew God as a Trinity - Genesis 1:2
- Creation was witnessed by The Holy Spirit, and Jesus was with Him - Genesis 1:2
- Creation was made through Jesus – Genesis 1:1
- Jesus created at God the Father’s command to “let” – Genesis 1:3 The observation at this point is that anyone who knows God as a Trinity should be able to see that Moses was also aware of this aspect of God… that He is a Trinity. Yet Moses did not teach this. He taught that the Lord is God, the Lord is One… which He is. But why not teach information about God’s nature it appears He knew of? I believe we can infer his reason from Genesis 6, where Moses left out other details, details about how Adam’s people worshipped before the flood, details about how Jesus attempted to intercede for the people. Instead, Moses left footnotes for us to look up, in sources that were all but lost for almost 2,000 years…
- The polytheistic religion of ancient Sumer was started by fallen angels and their angel/human offspring – Genesis 6:1, Genesis 6:2, Genesis 6:4
- God The Father first suggested the need to cleanse Sumer – Genesis 6:3a
- God the Son attempted to intercede – Genesis 6:3b, Genesis 6:6, Genesis 6:7
- Letting polytheism stamp out relationship with God was too horrible to let it continue. It had to be wiped out – Genesis 6:5
So my conclusion is this: Moses knew the trinity, and knew that polytheism was wiped out by the flood. However, Moses left out details of both… but those details can be confirmed and easily woven into what He did write. You will need to read the articles above to see how, but here is what it means to me… that Moses intentionally left out teachings on the Trinity and teachings about the previous polytheism for some reason. One possible reason is that he considered it common knowledge, so why detail it? I think that is true as far as it goes. These leads me to the other reason… what is original in his writing that other sources never taught? It is that the Lord is God, the Lord is One… an intentional focus on God’s single-ness above His Trinity. It must mean that this was important. And when weighed against the details of polytheism that he left out from before the flood, and the extreme nature of God’s action in sending the flood all-the-same, it suggests that leaving out such detail was immensely important! And history tells us why. Even after the fallen angels and Nephilim were removed, people’s worship of them remained… and the articles above going into the detail. Please read them for more.
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There does remain one concern I have in presenting my information to the Janitor (and potentially other Young Earthers who find this post). I am concerned that using any scientific data or historical data will be used as an argument that I am giving science priority over the scriptures. So, let me state how this site began, quite briefly…
I theorized that if modern science and scripture were in fact in agreement then I should be able to find a scientific discovery of a time when the earth was covered in water, and devoid of life and sunlight. I had never heard of such a theory of scientists before in my life, but I made that the lynchpin of my position. If could not find that, then I would never be able to convince myself of the science, and it would leave my interpretation of scripture in question. So, I searched the scientific articles and I found it. I found articles on Zircon Crystals, and they described the conditions exactly. From then on, I knew I would have a defensible position for my treatment of scripture, having used the scripture to predict the science, and not the other way around. It is my justification for interpreting the scripture as scientific documentation (please read examples of how I do this before criticizing the concept!), and for using science to help explain the scripture (again, please read the articles before criticizing the concept). Everything on my website leads (or is meant to lead) back to that first connection, where the scripture predicted the science. If I had not succeeded in that, there would be no website. There would be no GeoCreationism.